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Sunday, March 23, 2014

The Lexus ES 250 = The Honda Accord ?

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Everything is subjective. At this very moment most of my friends and I would recommend those who can afford a full sized sedan, also known as the D segment car over any other category for best bang for buck if you have around RM130,000- RM200,000 to spend. This is as you get a helluva lot of car for your Malaysian Ringgit. At this price range you can get close to the quietness, refinement as well as the (slightly) effortless power delivery of a car with at least a 2.0liter -2.5liter engine inside it. This means fatigue-less cruising over long distances and a better image to boot.



It does get a bit blurry when you cross this threshold. A Mercedes Benz C-class will be smaller than a Lexus ES250 but costs as much. A ES250 is as large or larger than a BMW 5 Series but costs so much less. But this is the problem of luxury cars over the executive D segment cars these days. You have to pick and choose whether you want silence over sportiness (the ES 250 or the IS250). And that is a tough choice sometimes as the IS250 is cramped and the ES250 is huge.

But the actual point of this article is the fact that an ES 250 in dark grey was actually right beside me during one of those traffic jams and I didn't even take notice of it. I thought is was either a Toyota Camry or another plain looking Japanese Full Sized sedan. Like the 2014 Honda Accord. But then again I think the Honda looks good for its price and actually looks more athletic and more hunkered down compared to the conservative looks of the ES250. Now both cars actually look pretty similar, but somehow Honda has managed to pull off a stronger looking design with a few styling cues.

The 2.4liter VTI-L can be yours for around RM172,817.10 (which I think can be negotiated so that you don't have to pay the RM17.10 or more). The Lexus ES250 "basic spec" is yours for RM259,800 before insurance. What I think you'd get in the Lexus is the badge and a whole lot of ride comfort (and is very slightly larger than the Honda). What you'll get in the Accord is a better looking car that drives and handles well coupled with a respectable, if not prestigious status symbol like the Lexus. NVH at low speeds in the Accord is similar to the Lexus but with a firmer ride. But if you think about how much money you can save if you just bought the Accord then you will actually question whether the Lexus is worth that extra over the similar sized but cheaper full sized sedan.

But you decide from the side views of both cars. Do they look similar or what? In terms of styling things are too close these days if you play it safe. I know I'm just babbling here on a Sunday evening, but look at the photos again. Note that they are around the same size folks. Oh, the darker car is the Honda to those who can't tell the difference between the two.




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Wednesday, November 6, 2013

A Quickie of a Test Drive: The 2013 Honda Accord 2.0 VTI-L

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The ninth generation Honda Accord was recently launched here in Malaysia and I managed a short drive in the 2013 Accord 2.0 Vti-L variant. This car sits in the category where it is usually bought by senior managers of companies or by the companies themselves. It is aimed squarely against other large sized Japanese and Korean sedans in the RM150,000 or thereabouts price range and this range of cars is what most Malaysians aspire to have in their driveway, front porch, garage or apartment car park.


Most would want more, but local taxes and excise duties mean that this is usually the threshold amount that most would want to spend on a car. As such, the Honda Accord along with its competitors like the Toyota Camry and the Nissan Teana, all large Japanese sedans fight for a place in the hearts of Malaysian car buyers who want to show that they've made it in life (to a certain extent).

The Design

The Honda Accord 2.0VTI-L is a typical large sized Honda. The ninth generation Honda Accord is a slimmer car than the previous model. It's like the Accord went through a diet and came up looking svelter. It loses the ungainly overhangs of the previous car and there is a more cohesive look to the Accord compared to the previous model.

But whatever you do, do not buy this car with the optional Modulo bodykit. This adds all that unnecessary bulk (and more) to the car and makes it ungainly. And if you compare this car with the current Toyota Camry in terms of looks, this wins by a million miles. If you compared this car with the Nissan Teana it wins too (but the Teana is huge, some people like huge. Small people usually). If you compared it to the Mazda 6 it isn't as fashion forward as the 6, but it positively will not look outdated within the next three of four days when it becomes outdated.

Aside from that I also have to state that this is the first Accord in a zillion years that eschews the double wishbone setup for a simpler McPherson style strut setup. Does it make a difference? I'll tell you about it later.


The interior

All Accords come with standard an 8-inch 480 x 320 pixel WQVGAresolution LCD display screen, single angle reverse camera, Honda's audio system which includes Bluetooth, USB connector, dual zone automatic climate control and alloy wheels. The VTI-L has navigation system but does not have the left hand blind spot camera, LED daytime running lamps, headlamps, and tail lamps; and an adaptive cruise control system.

Honda must have bench marked certain continental makes as the quality of the switchgear is good. Materials used are soft to the touch where it counts and it the double screened dashboard looks like it came from a car of a higher grade. I like the overall feel inside. Every switch, button or knob I touch seems to have some work gone into how it feels whilst operating them.

The driving position is typically Honda which means it is easy to get comfortable whilst driving one. There are enough adjustments to suit almost everyone.

Rear passenger space is good and similar to the outgoing model It was also stated in the design brief that this new Accord is slightly smaller than the previous one as people who bought Accords like things a little smaller (which must be the opposite from every other car brand these days). But from where I'm sitting, there hasn't been much space lost over the previous model. I should know as a business partner uses the eight generation Accord and I have a frequent passenger in it.

Drivetrain

You get a 2.0liter 16 valve SOHC engine in it that makes about 154Bhp and about 190Nm torque. It runs through a 5 speed torque convertor gearbox. This specification is pretty basic and it isn't a Honda 'Earth Dream' engine like the 2.4liter variant. Malaysian Accords however run the 5 speed automatic from the previous model unlike in Japan and the United States which run a CVT box.

I would prefer a newer 6 speed box for more ratios, but I suppose this is still better than buying a Toyota Camry 2.0 which still runs a, gasp, 4 speed automatic or a CVT for that matter.

Driving the darn thing.

It's a Honda, therefore it is actually decent to drive. It isn't overly exciting to drive but it surely isn't dull. What strikes you when you first get in and start the car up (with a starter button) is that the car is quiet. You slot it into gear and as you bimble off into traffic you'd notice that it is pretty quiet. Specs say that this car has active noise control which cancels out unwanted noise via speakers pushing out similar frequencies. As such, at low speeds the Accord 2.0VTI-L is almost as quiet as a Camry 2.0 (which, whilst sad to say, is the refinement benchmark in this category). Tyre roar is minimal compared to the previous model and a mighty big improvement. The gear changes are smooth too with nary a jolt unless you're pushing it.

But refinement takes a back seat when you gun the throttle pedal. The engine above 4,500rpm is coarse and does not have a mechanically refined sound to it. It sounds like something industrial and it isn't like Honda VTEC engines of days gone by. This is because it is a single camshaft design that is tuned for economy (there is a stupid ECO button for owners to play with if they want to – Honda says you'll save more petrol if you prod it...oooooooooh) and isn't tuned to wail like a banshee. This also means that by 5,500rpm or so the car feels just noisy, but isn't really going anywhere. It would do the 100km/h sprint in around 11 seconds but it will be darn noisy whilst doing so. This still is a whole second faster than the quieter at high rpm Toyota Camry. So I'd just drive this car a tad gentler most of the time by being smooth on the throttle inputs if I want refinement in this Accord.

And when it comes to ride and handling I think the Accord rides firmly but not uncomfortably. Body movements are well controlled and if you flung the Accord into a corner it would obey you better than other contemporaries like the Teana and the Camry. The Mazda 6 would outgrip it but it rides like a plank compared to all of the other cars mentioned including the Accord. So did I feel the Accord needs its old double wishbones? Not really. The car steers well with good weighting in the wheel but like most modern helms a little lacking in outright feel. The car takes sharp bends predictably even on the short drive I had around the Penchala Link area. If any of you want an example, a sweeping right hander would be taken a good 10km/h faster than either the big Nissan or the big Toyota before understeer sets in.

This car has a good balance between being sporty when you want it and a nice enough ride for almost every occasion. It is quite easy to test whether the ride is good as the surrounding area has got tons of construction and potholes as well as spilled concrete everywhere. Things does not get jarring for the inhabitants of the Accord over rough roads.

Conclusion

Even though the drive was pretty short, a whole lot of stuff shone through (I'm getting good at this) . It is simple, honest and filled with goodies for the price Honda is asking. To get a similarly equipped Camry or Mazda 6 you'd pay a good RM10,000 more. This Accord also adds good looks that are neither too fashion forward nor shaped like a tank (and you know which uncle car looks like a tank -hint, hint...its the Toyota). I believe that pure refinement but coupled with looks like a tank would not be a good buy. Looks as well as handling over refinement like the Mazda 6 would also not do it after a tired day's work. The Nissan Teana is actually about to get a model change next year and it has ungainly overhangs front and rear over a short looking wheelbase. I wouldn't go for that too.

And so, aside from the unrefined engine noise at high rpm (which isn't a deal breaker in my opinion), I have to say that if I were looking for a company car in this price range, this is it.

2013 Honda Accord 2.0 VTI-L Specifications
Base Price: RM149,800
Body: 4-door SEDAN
Mechanical Orientation: Front Wheel Drive
Engine: 4 cylinder 2.0-litre SOHC VTEC normally aspirated
Power: 154 BHP
Torque: 190 NM
Transmission: 5speed automatic
Weight: approx 1530 kg
Wheels: 225/50r17

0-62 mph: approx 11 seconds
Top Speed: about 200 km/h
Fuel Consumption: 6.5l/100km

For: Low speed refinement, interior quality, exterior looks, decent handling
Against: Industrial and therefore uninteresting sounding engine noise too loud at high revs. Needs more sound proofing up front. Avoid the Modulo bodykit.




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Monday, October 7, 2013

Car Mods Gone Wrong: Spends on chassis BUT....

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Today I do not feel like writing something long winded. Malaysian car enthusiasts are a passionate lot but sometimes seriously misguided, weird or simply unfathomable. Take this Seventh Generation Honda Accord for example, it has been in my photo archives for a while but I believe it is time to showcase such bizarre antics to the world so that no one would ever, ever, ever think of doing such a thing again.

The owner had invested a serious amount into the bodykit and chassis strengthening....




....but he must have finished it all on the bodykit and chassis braces as when he found out that he needed to extend the rear muffler out from under the rear valance. His ingenuity took over and this is where the horror starts. The DIY tailpipe is basically a piece of aluminium foil that doesn't even wrap fully round the original tailpipe. The owner must have thought that such an addition was perfectly acceptable. Why? Oh, the horror.


Personally I would rather wait for next month's paycheck to get it done properly. As properly as he had spent on the chassis mods. Wouldn't you?
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Sunday, September 8, 2013

The new 2013 Honda Accord

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The ninth generation Honda Accord was recently launched in Malaysia and Adlis K and I had a look at the latest version of a popular sedan. We liked it. The overall look of the car is more cohesive and balanced compared to the earlier car and more impressive in real life compared to pictures of the car. 

Malaysia will have two engine variants with three specifications. The flagship Honda Accord in Malaysia is the Honda Accord 2.4l VTIi-L. This car has the new Honda Earth Dreams Technology 2.4liter engine and a slew of gadgetry to entice carbuyers out there for an on the road price of RM172,800.00. Cheaper than the Toyota Camry 2.5v, its natural competitor in its class. 


The entry level 2.0liter Accord comes with a base 2.0l VTi spec at RM139,800.00 (which basically has fabric seats instead of leather) and a luxury specced version, the Accord 2.0l VTi-L which has most of the goodies found in the 2.4liter car but with a smaller engine and a smaller price tag of RM149,800.00 compared to the 2.4liter car. The 2.0liter cars are also cheaper than the Camry 2.0liter variants too. 

What's good about the car.

A lot actually. The 2.4 as mentioned above gets Honda's latest 2.4liter engine. It has something called 'Earth Dreams Technology' throw into it. What this means is that efficiency, or fuel economy takes priority instead of absolute power. It has class average 175ps and 225Nm torque to play with and some eco-modes for fuel saving driving. 

I do like the fact that Honda Malaysia has chosen not to fit the CVT transmission for the Malaysian market. Instead of the ultra efficient CVT that the rest of the world gets together with a 6 speed manual option, we get a traditional torque convertor 5 speed automatic transmission. It may not be as efficient as the CVT but it actually helps refinement as torque convertors do not hold the engine at peak power like how CVTs do and which makes them pretty noisy when trying to drive fast in them.

The other mentionable gadget is the Lanewatch system in the 2.4liter car. A camera sits under the passenger rear view mirror which helps the driver out by limiting the car's blindspot on the left side of the car. Aside from this two items you can get most of the other gadgetry in the cheaper, 2.0liter car.

All cars share active noise cancellation by the active noise/sound control systems in all variants. It should make the Accord a very quiet ride. You also get two monitor screens in the cars, GPS in the two top models and a whole slew of goodies that you can read elsewhere. What I wish to tell you folks out there is the fact that this Honda Accord is very well put together.

The level of material quality used is higher than before and I have to say it is close to BMW in quality. The tactile feel of all controls feel very good (for its class) and it passes the knuckle rap test with flying colours. The driving position is typically Honda, meaning its very good. If one were to compare with the Toyota Camry, it wins hands down. If compared to the Mazda 6, it has a better interior too. Headroom and leg room is good, front and rear. No problems for a chubby lad like me.

Externally, the car seems like an evolution of the earlier car. Everything that needs to be ironed out has been ironed out. It looks very balanced and everything flows nicely, albeit slightly conservative. But conservative sells. Take a look at the current Toyota Camry, they try making it into a hulk of a car and you don't see as many of them on the road as before. The earlier Camry was a manager's favourite. The current one is too bulky and squarish for its own good. Then if you were actually looking for a 2.0liter company car, the 2.0liter Camry comes with an ancient 4 speed automatic. You won't get high tech in a Toyota. And in the days of petrol increases, a four speeder will never get you good fuel economy compared to the Honda Accord's five speed automatic. It's cheaper too, remember.

Now if you compare to the Mazda 6, the new Honda Accord is a better bet simply because the Mazda 6 will start to get outdated in about three days or so. Note that anything that follows trends or tries to be cutting edge tends to get out of fashion sooner than conservatively styled items. The previous Mazda 6 is a good example. 

I believe that this 2013 Honda Accord is the new king of the Company car for managers category usurping the Toyota Camry. The only exception I can think of buying this car is the fact that the Malaysian Government has made it the car for senior government officers. So there will be many of them around pretty soon.

 Adlis K thinks this would be a problem if you actually intend to spend your own money for one as a whole lot of them would be around and you'd be another face in the crowd. But if your company buys this for you it isn't a problem as its a fantastic car for the price. Beggars cannot be choosers. Even at RM150,000. Just make sure you don't buy black or silver - favourite government car colours in our opinion. 

UPDATE: Test Drive of the 2013 Honda Accord 2.0 vti-l HERE

2.0liter VTI-L
Photos courtesy of Adlis K
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